What prompted this subject was a book I started to read and a movie I saw called "The Possessed". The book, like so many others starts with a false assumption about satan. (What MD believes is a false assumption.) The movie, like so many others of its genre reinforces the church establishment's position on evil, which misplaces fear of the Lord with fear of the devil. Why is it that there are so many people vehement in their belief about Satan? Some people believe sin became carnel or incarnate. The exegesis of satan will be found in our study of satan in context to the entire Bible. When we read the 12th chapter of Revelation, there is a lot of figurative language. We know that by interpreting this chapter in a literal sense, we get a lot of bad theology. In verse 7, it reads: "there was war in heaven". Does this mean the abode of God? (Companion Bible note on Rev. 12:7: Heaven = A particular sphere above earth which is dwelt in, by, or accessible to, the dragon and his evil powers. Cp. Job 1 and 2. Zech 3.6. See Luke 10.18. “fought against” The texts read “(going forth) to war with”. See 3:12. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.”
The Greek word for heaven is ouranos (#3772, Strong's Concordance), meaning "through the idea of elevation and by implication power"; My Strong’s Cordance says, “ 3772. 1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it…”; and Strong’s Lexicon: “3772. the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity):--air, heaven(-ly), sky.” and from Strong's #3735, oros: "a mountain, lifting itself above the plain", “3735. oros or'-os probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain). 3733. ornis or'-nis probably from a prolonged form of the base of 3735; a bird (as rising in the air),which suggests earth and not outer space. It doesn’t present heaven as a mountain on the earth but compares it to a mountain “as lifting itself above the plain” or above earth, i.e. the sky. Was there war on earth or star wars? If heaven means “the sky” as Strong’s Concordance and Lexicon indicate, the war was in the sky or star wars as you have coined it. This is not that difficult to comprehend since wars today are largely fought in the sky with jet fighters. F16’s come to mine.The word war in the KJV has a margin note. Contrast Luke 19:38 "the King (Jesus Christ) that cometh . . . peace and heaven" with verse 42 of the same chapter "belong unto thy peace". Acts 10:36 brings us closer to who and where: "The word God sent to Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ. " And then Luke 2:14 says "glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill toward men. " The context of peace and its counterpart, war, is associated with people and earth. According to the Book of Enoch, when the angels were cast out and came to earth, they taught men the weapons of war. So by coming to earth, the peace here was upset and why the Israelites were sent to restore the earth, i.e. bring peace back to it. Unfortunately they fell and were placed under law, but that couldn't save them, so Christ came to redeem them so that ultimately they could do the job they were sent here to do. The 'peace in heaven' being spoken of here is peace in Christian cities, nations or elevated places of power; i.e. government or church authority. The verse in Luke 19:38 continues “… and glory in the highest.” Highest = Stong’s Lexicon 5310. hupsistos superlative from the base of 5311; highest, i.e. (masculine singular) the Supreme (God), or (neuter plural) the heavens:--most high, highest. And 5311. hupsos from a derivative of 5228; elevation, i.e. (abstractly) altitude, (specially), the sky, or (figuratively) dignity:--be exalted, height, (on) high.” Luke 19:39 is more likely referring to peace in heaven, and that Jesus came to bring that heavenly peace to the earth since peace on earth was upset by the dragon and his angels being kicked out of heaven and coming to earth.
The political determination for our
lives is within the body of Christ, our obedience to God's Law in a body
politic brings the blessing of peace, whereas rebellion to the Laws of God
brings the curses of warfare. When the enemies of God want to remove the
context of our peace on earth, they take the battle into outer space, and our
people fall away from truth. Witness the apostasy within Christian Identity
because of screwball theology. Let me point out a few things in Revelation 12.
Verse 12 speaks of "rejoicing, the heavens" (plural),
and then refers to people dwelling on the earth. This verse says:
Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye
that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the
devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he
hath but a short time.
The people in heaven are rejoicing but the inhabiters of the earth find woe. This clearly contrasts earth from heaven. In other words, be glad in your Christian Identity community or body politic here on earth. There's a theme of purging in Revelation 12, not travel from outer space to earth, with such phrases as verse 4 'did cast them to earth'; verse 9 'the great dragon was cast out, he was cast out into the earth and his angels cast out with him'; verse 10 'the accuser of our brethren is cast down'; verse 12 'for the devil is cast down'; verse 13 'the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth'. All of these characters, properly identified, are not Hollywood monsters in outer space, but rather the real life adversaries on earth. Only if one ignores the true meaning of the word “heaven” for the abode of God as a place above the earth in the sky as shown in the meanings of the words in Strong’s Lexicon and Concordance. Thayer’s Lexicon states: “to cover, encompass, heaven; and, … The heights above, the upper regions, the heavens, i.e. … 1. the vaulted expanse of the sky with all the things visible in it; a. generally: as opp. To the earth, Heb i.10; 2 Pet iii. 5, 10, 12;…The ancients conceived of the expanded sky as an arch or vault of the outmost edge of which touch the extreme limits of the earth;…the extreme measure of altitude;” Verse 9 could very easily apply to the Sanhedrin of Christ's day, who were the evil jews in power at that time, and were cast out as Col. 2:15 puts it "having spoiled rulers and authorities, He exposed them publicly, triumphing over them in it (His Crucifixion)" What He said about them came to pass in Jerusalem circa 70AD. The evil jews were not “the dragon” of Revelation 12 since Rev 12:9 says that the dragon was that old serpent (referring to the serpent in the garden of Eden), the devil and Satan, that was cast out “into the earth and his angels cast out with him.” Are the “evil jews” ever referred to in the word as ‘angels’? No, but Jesus does say that they are the descendants of that dragon, i.e., of their father the devil.
We also have a prophetic
significance to Revelation 12 concerning the key to the calculations of 'seven times
punishment' of Israel, or the White race, winding up in America in 1776, as
referenced in verses 6 and 14. V. 6 talks about the woman (Israel) being fed in
the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and 3 score (1260) days. This is the same amount of time that the 2
witnesses prophesy in the end time as found in Rev. 11:3. V. 14 refers to the
wings of an eagle that is part of the Song of Moses in Deut. 32.9. The 3.5
years is the same amount of time as the 1260 days that the 2 witnesses
prophesy. I haven’t read Downey’s
‘seven times punishment’ yet so I don’t know what this is referring to but
since the 2 witnesses are found at the end immediately prior to the return of
Christ, I don’t see how these verses refer to the white race winding up in
America in 1776. I see that date
coinciding with Manasseh’s punishment period of 2560 years ending. The
colorful language of John's vision is about race, not Darth Vader. It would be
interesting to see how this is about race. So far there has been no explanation
about how it refers to race, other than mention of the “evil jews” which are
clearly not “the dragon and his angels” but rather descendants of them or
children of the devil as opposed to children of God. Back to the
Fallen Angel theory, we read in verse 7, "Michael and his angels fought
against the dragon". Michael is a Hebrew name and means "who (is)
like God?" He's described as Michael the archangel in Jude 9. An archangel
is the chief angel according to Strongs #743. An angel is a messenger, so
Michael is self explanatory as the chief messenger. Not much is said about
Michael, but if Jesus Christ is the chief shepherd and the chief cornerstone, I
would venture to guess that our Lord and Savior is the chief messenger as well
(and not Luke Skywalker). The Michael of Daniel 12:1 is the deliverer of His
people, "a nation" (not fallen angels up there). Downey is saying that Jesus
Christ was Michael the Archangel and I can see why he’s saying this but, Jesus’
name is (in Hebrew) Immanuel (‘el = God) and not Michael (Miyka'el = who
is like God); and (in Greek)
Emmanuel = God with us and not Michael = who is like God. The Greek Lexicon says:
Emmanuel = "God with
us"
1) the title applied to the Messiah, born of the virgin, Mt 1:23, Is. 7:14, because Jesus was God united with man, and showed that God was dwelling with man.
Hebrews 1:4 says "being made so much better than the angels (the mere messengers of mankind) as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. " Our name does not mean 'who is like God?', yet our proximity to our Creator as His Israel means 'ruling with God'. In Psalms 103:20, His angels (Strongs #32, Israelite messengers who bring tidings; by implication a pastor) In Psalms 103:20, the word “angels” is the Hebrew word mal’ak, Strong’s 4397, and means a messenger, which could be an angel as opposed to the Hebrew word ‘elohim more commonly used for angels as found in Psalms 8:5, For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Psa. 8:5 refers to Jesus in his flesh body compared to angelic beings. Hebrews 1:4 refers to Jesus Christ in His resurrected body that is seated at the right hand of God. To compare the two is mixing apples with oranges. are those who do His commandments. And we know the “evil jews” did not keep the Commandments but developed the Talmud, contrary to the Torah. Luke 7:24 refers to the messengers of John and is Strong's #32, the same Greek word 'aggelos'; that is, angels. In Luke 7:18 the messengers are referred to as disciples of John. We don’t know much about these disciples other than they are called ‘aggelos! In Mat. 11:14, Jesus says that John the Baptist is Elijah. Would it not stand to reason that if Elijah went into heaven, where he had been taken up in a whirlwind, that he would return along with some angels with him? And in I Thes. 4:16, "and the Lord himself shall descend . . . with the voice of the archangel". In other words, he is first in political rank or power. He is the King of kings. In Rev. 1:20, John writes "the mystery of the seven stars . . . are the angels of the seven churches (i.e. the pastors of these ecclesias). " Thayer’s Lexicon says of the 7 angels of the 7 churches: ‘The angles of the churches’ are not the presbyters or bishops, but heavenly spirits who exercise such a superintendence and guardianship over them that whatever in their assemblies is worthy of praise or of censure is counted to the praise or the blame of their angles also, as though the latter infused their spirit into the assemblies; Rev. 12:1 says "there appeared a great wonder in heaven" (i.e. the church invisible). The woman with a crown of twelve stars is symbolic of the twelve tribes of Israel scattered around the world.
As mentioned earlier, these verses
have prophetic significance to the greatest Christian nation in the history of
mankind and its birth as a nation is found right here in scripture. Verse 5
tells us she (Israel) brought forth a man child (a nation) who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron. "Before she travailed, she brought forth;
before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a
thing? Who hath seen such a thing? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in
one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she
brought forth her children" (Isaiah 66:7-8). "And he that
overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over
the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a
potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I
will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the
Spirit saith unto the churches" (Rev. 2:26-29). This is speaking about
the New Jerusalem, the cleansed Kingdom of Heaven on earth! And the new Jerusalem descends
from heaven.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.
Let me clarify this business about
war and peace, as mentioned earlier. Revelation 12:7 says "there was
war in heaven" with a margin note to contrast that with Luke 19:38,
where we read that as Christ comes to earth, there is 'peace in heaven' (peace =
eirene and also means ‘rest’ or ‘salvation’ for Jesus is our rest, our peace
and our salvation) and, in verse 42, as He approached Jerusalem,
Christ said "the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from
thine eyes". I think He was talking about unity and the
lack of conflict; there will be no rebellion in the Kingdom of Heaven. There
will be rebellion against God, but not with angels in His abode. Agreed. The
rebellion in heaven has already occurred. Satan and his angels were cast out.
The rebellion on earth is happening now and will escalate. V. 43 reads, For the days
shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and
compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even
with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee
one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. When Jesus said "think
not, that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a
sword (or division - Luke 12:51)" Mt. 10:34. (Companion
Bible, I am come – I became present, as in Acts 21:18 to give peace. This was
the object of His coming (Isa 9:6, 7) : but the effect of His
presence would bring war. He came not to judge (John 12:47) as to the object,
but the effect of His coming was judgment (John 9:39). The
scriptures do not contradict themselves. When Christ preached peace, it was the
word God sent to the White race, Israel, so that each believer "being
justified by faith, has peace with God through Jesus Christ" (Rom.
5:1). We could be having an armed revolution against wickedness in high places
and still have a countenance of peace.
*I wonder which commentary of the KJV has that note. The Companion Bible has a note that says to Cp. Job 1&2, Zech 3.6 and to see Luke 10.18, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
The truth Christ brought to the world was so controversial that they killed Him. That truth being that Jesus came not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Mat. 10:6, 15:24. When they crucified our Lord, there was war, and the Christ-killers have been trying to change the location of the warfare in your minds ever since, so that we don't kill them. On the other hand, if it is understood that these Christ-killers descended from those that were cast out, this might cause them not only to want to destroy them but at the very least to not want to mix or breed with them. Is Christ talking about celestial angels to bring hither the enemies of God that reject His reign/government and slay them (Luke 19:27)? The context is quite clear with the previous verse (v. 26) concluding the moral of the parable of the ten pounds, a lesson in free enterprise, or Christian economy. In verse 14, the jews hated Him and said "we will not have this man to reign over us". Thus the violent take the Kingdom by force. The history of American politics is one anti-Christian attack after another, but verse 26 infers that everyone having value will be given more and everyone who is worthless, whatever value he has will be taken away from him. Hitler understood this concept: taking away the power of the purse from jewish usurers. What a clever ploy of the jew, to tell the Christian that the war is between God and fallen angels far away from this earth, (If we fail to recognize the principalities, powers and rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness in HIGH (epouranios = the heavenly regions) places, we become ineffective in our battle against these evil forces for it is written, My people perish for a lack of knowledge. Hsa. 4:6) and then supplant that idea with the rapture, another false theory.
So
why worry or be upset about the rampant corruption: from the Gary Condits and
perverts in politics to the pulpit pimps who have prostituted the people? Our
peace on earth in Christian Identity is to be at war with the enemies of God. The problem
with this statement is that many Jews, Negroes, Chinese, etc., are claiming to
be born again and therefore not ‘enemies of God’. This is causing the church to teach that it’s acceptable to mix
with them because they are viewed as “equally yoked”! "Rejoice, ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them" (Rev. 12:12) means the happiness within the
body of Christ. The rest of verse 12 says 'woe to the rest of mankind, because
the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows he has
but a short time'. When the Judeo Christian renders this literally into their
concept of verse 9, the great dragon, that old serpent, the devil and satan
which deceives the whole world, all of which are idiomatic expressions, they
conveniently ignore the very simple explanation of what these figures of speech** represent.
We read in verse 10 "the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which
accused them before our God day and night. " Is it some kind of evil
spirit floating in the ether that possesses the mind of man to lie about the
followers of Christ? Or is it real life people that constantly accuse Christian
Identity of things which are false? How can anybody in their right mind not see
how the Holy Roman Empire, Catholicism, was cast unto the earth; i.e. , spread
their tentacles of deceit throughout the world, and how today, there is a
revival of this beast; this final attempt at a one world religion: Mystery
Babylon, also called the ecumenical movement.
**Excerpt from the Companion
Bible, App. 19, The Serpent of
Genesis 3, “A figure of speech is never used except for the purpose of
calling attention to, emphasizing and intensifying the reality of the literal
sense, and the truth of the historical facts: so that, while the words employed
may not be so strictly true to the letter, they are all the more true to the
truth conveyed by them and to the historical events connected with them.” The
Serpent is a figure of speech that shows Satan as a ‘shining one’. The Dragon is a figure of speech that
represents Satan as a Great Serpent. The Adversary is a figure of speech that
represents Satan in his adversarial role against God, Jesus Christ and the
children of Israel. The Devil is a figure of speech that represents Satan’s
evil nature. Satan is not a figure of speech but is a name given to the prince
of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ (see Strongs 4567).
Furthermore, Satan (Heb) means “a superhuman adversary” (see Strongs 7845).
I do not see Catholicism as
‘cast unto the earth’. That phrase
means “to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of
men”. Mat 5:13.
The RCC is very powerful and controls the Holy Land, the church, if not the
world via the Jesuits, who are Luciferians, headed by Jews. It is far from
‘cast out’ but is very powerful and influential. The prince of Tyrus fell,
which was a type of the king of Tyrus, who was none other than Satan himself.
Likewise, Satan and his devil children are going down.
It is our Movement that looks
forward to casting down these devils and satans in the form of the ADL, SPLC,
FBI, TBN, IRS etc. I admit that these institutions are presently
controlled by the wicked one(s) as prophesied. Don't you think it
would be to the advantage of these power brokers to get you to believe that
they have made some kind of unholy alliance with a supernatural entity . . . so
don't you even try to do anything about it??!! Why would we fear doing
anything about it when true believers know they have power to tread on
serpents? The allusion to
some sort of hideous animal, like a dragon or old serpent, is merely a literary
device to convey the very worst in somebody, as we read in Ezek. 29:3: "Behold,
I am against thee, Pharaoh King of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the
midst of rivers". Pharaoh was being compared to the great dragon, not
that he was the great dragon. Actually, a word study of satan
and devil reveal that nowhere in scriptures are these words meant to be
superhuman beings tempting mankind to sin. If you are going to dismiss
Satan as a supernatural being then you will have to dismiss the angel of the
Lord as a supernatural being as well.
Zec 3:1 “And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.” In fact, it is the pagan world that attributes the dark forces of evil into gods, the personification of vice and sinfulness. But the bible recognizes these dark forces (1 Ki 11:33) and also recognizes the power of Satan (Act 26:18). This is the tradition of deification from a mongrelized mentality; it is the bastard mutations of the mystery religions fueled by jewish and non White authorities. False religion, yes.
The apostolic church and early followers of Christ understood the devil and satan to be these opponents of Jesus who slandered and falsely accused Christians, just as they do with Christian Identity today. Today's enemies of God are not pawns of a supernatural god called satan; they are just greedy, egotistical scumbags responsible for their own actions, and nobody can blame something or somebody else for their sins. They take the word Lucifer like the word armageddon, both of which appear only once in the scriptures, and build a fantastic doctrine and theology, all of which is fantastically false. In Isa 14:12, we are told that Lucifer, the morning star, fell from heaven. In Luk 10:1, we are told that Satan fell from heaven as lightning (astrape = of the gleam of a lamp). We are also know that Serpent means ‘shining one’ similar to a gleam of light, and that The Dragon is a Great Serpent. Concluding that Lucifer is Satan is NOT making up a “fantastically false” doctrine but simply associating relevant verses with one another in order to derive a well-documented and well-supported understanding of who and what Satan is. Lucifer fell from heaven. Who else besides Satan, fell from heaven? It is so incredible or so inconceivable to conclude that these two, who fell from heaven, and whose names have a similar meaning are the same entity? What is so fantastic about that? Whenever you pick and choose things out of context, you can make the Bible say whatever you want. And that is what they have done with their fallen angel nonsense. Those Baal priests who fanatically associate Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12 with Rev. 12 don't have any scholarly evidence to prove their fallen angel now rules the earth. Jesus said in Mt. 28:18 "all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth". How much power does that give Lucifer? Acts 26:18 documents that Satan has power but that Jesus came to turn us from the power of Satan unto God. However, Satan has NO power in heaven. We can easily identify Lucifer in Isaiah 14:4 as the king of Babylon ('take up this proverb against him'). The king of Babylon is one of 12 names for the Antichrist. See note in Dan. 7:8, Companion Bible. Lucifer (v. 12) fell from heaven. Heaven here refers to a high or lofty place of authority in Babylon: "which did weaken the nations". Are there, or were there nations in the extraterrestrial heaven? These ‘nations’ are the nations that existed in the first earth age that perished, as spoken of in 2 Peter 3:5, i.e. the world that then was. See The Plan of God. In verse 13, this guy is definitely campaigning for god-king status by exalting his throne above the stars of God. This is not literal stars, but rather the twelve tribes of Israel, and this guy wants to be the head and us the tail. Before God hung the earth, his children were called “stars” and they were to inhabit the earth. (Job 38:7) You can see by reading this chapter, how rulership can become quite intoxicating to the point of thinking you "will be like the Most High". Well I don't think so, and Isaiah 14:16-17 is the clincher that puts him in his place where it says, "They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?"
Is this the man or the fallen angel? Does it come as a surprise that angels are called men? Angels look like men and are called men in the word. The two angels that God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah were called men. See Gen 19:1-5, 10. Like so many other megalomaniacs in history, this is man the sinner playing god. Isaiah 14:12-17 describes earthly conditions influenced by man's greed, force, selfishness, ambition and pleasures. If there were a war in heaven before the Creation, you would think that there would be some mention of it in the first book of the Bible rather than the last book. Oh but there is. Gen. 1:1,2 is all about what happened to the earth as a result of that rebellion in heaven. It says that God made the heavens and the earth and the earth BECAME (hayah) void. This same scripture is found in Jer. 4:23-25, which is not referring to the deluge because it says Jeremiah saw NO man. After Noah’s flood there were still men on the earth. But such is not the case; there never was war between God and His messengers in His celestial abode, therefore, there is no such thing as a fallen angel. To conclude that there was never war between God and the Dragon and their respective angels is to deny scripture, which states, And there WAS war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:7, But, there is a messenger-angel in Revelation 14:8 that announces what is fallen, and that is Babylon, that great city, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. This is future prophecy and Babylon The Great is going down! I would rather see the fall of jew town than some invisible spook. If God doesn’t destroy the father of those devils, we will still have a problem on our hands. Amen?